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Post by MMM on Jul 12, 2012 23:08:01 GMT -5
Sigh.
It's sad that there would still probably be a riot if they pulled the statue down.
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Post by e0 on Jul 13, 2012 0:50:11 GMT -5
/doing all of the real he can at TCF re: this topic and will not repeat it here
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Post by e0 on Jul 15, 2012 17:01:28 GMT -5
Email I just got that is semi-where-DooDoo is:
I am deeply conflicted about all of this--college football, college sports, my fealty to the system, etc. I think that a short football-less interregnum probably just spites PSU, makes it lose some money, and, perversely, may even embolden fans who can point to the end of a ban as a time for defiantly re-embracing the whole thing. Accordingly, I think a ban has to be either an all-or-nothing type of thing.
There are two overriding issues which a football ban implicates: how our country values college sports and who has to lead any change. I don't any longer like the place that college sports occupy. Football and basketball are too corrupt. I don't offer that as some naive plea to be gentlemen, or to stop negative recruiting. I mean that both of those sports have corrupted values. Penn State is a terribly perfect object lesson, but so are things happening in plain sight, like children being reduced to chattel by the AAU system. My favorite professor in college hated Michigan football. He felt it subverted the university's true mission, he resented how much money was paid toward all parts of the operation, and he was not comfortable with the trade-offs made. I understood all of those complaints, but they did not mean very much to me.
They mean more now. I guess the entire climate of our declining country weighs on me as I consider what our higher-education system resembles. Ivy League schools are cloistered communities for elites that are only nominally available to those born outside the system. Public universities are losing funding. Middle- and lower-tier schools are forever more expensive, for-profit education is a ruse that hurts too many of its participants. Education is getting worse. Amid all this rot, schools like Penn State and Michigan--to say nothing of Ohio State, Alabama, and schools from other states even farther gone--perpetuate the arms race to enhance athletic departments that represent the lingering connection for most alumni. To win more, earn more, and encourage giving more, coaches are deified, education is de-emphasized, kids are commoditized, and asshole business men are lionized for their vision. It all sucks, and I enjoy it less. I still care too much, but I am beginning to experience more ambivalence, the problems too obvious to ignore.
I would like for this to change, but I don't know how to start. People aren't going to willingly surrender all that money, and asking Penn State to be the martyred vessel onto which we project every issue is unfair. Even asking Penn State to surrender all revenue generated by football is unrealistic because of the innocent people who will be collateral victims. And still, if any place should be forced to lose this prisoner's dilemma and endure a punishment while every other school acts in its best interest, I do think Penn State deserves something that terrible. If it would teach a lesson--which it won't. That's ultimately why I don't think the death penalty is warranted. The harms committed against those undeserving would be too great given how ineffective that "solution" would be for what really ails college sports.
I guess I would withhold any sort of serious decision until the civil suits play out and there is more perspective available.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jul 15, 2012 18:40:03 GMT -5
If it would teach a lesson--which it won't.
Maybe.
But what lesson is taught with something less or even nothing?
In a general way, that email definitely represents how I feel about schools like OSU/PSU, etc. and why I'm so behind the idea of killing the PSU football program.
I won't go so far as to say I don't respect those schools, but I certainly don't respect that aspect of those schools. I enjoy watching college football and all, but it'd never occur to me to mix such an important and personal choice of where to go to school with "Woohoo! Go State!" And just hearing stories about what some college athletes get away with on campus, nothing about that fits with the spirit of higher learning, or a serious environment of any kind, as far as I can tell.
Of course, much of the same applies to stupid Greek Life too.
^Why my choice of school was so easy. OK, parents can afford a state school in Ohio. Three most respectable (whether or not this is actually accurate, this was my impression at the time) choices:
OSU (urban, stupid footballz)
Miami (stupid Greek Life) OU it is!
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jul 15, 2012 19:47:07 GMT -5
^ One step away from being that guy who goes to the local high school football game because it is still "pure"
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jul 15, 2012 20:11:20 GMT -5
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Me : College Football :: Guy Who Likes Strip Clubs : Location of Strip Clubs
I really enjoy watching good college football, but I would never want to go to a school with a major college football program. As long as it's separated from me personally, I enjoy the fact that major college football programs exist--as long as they're not harboring child rapists.
Kind of like some guy who enjoys going to strip clubs, but who still doesn't want to live next door to one?
Purity doesn't have anything to do with it. (At least not the purity of football.)
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Post by JayAre on Jul 15, 2012 21:44:40 GMT -5
O-H!
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Post by JayAre on Jul 15, 2012 21:45:59 GMT -5
Seriously, when is Mark Cuban going to start his stupid only 18-22 year olds allowed football league? Do I have to drive to Dallas? DON'T MAKE ME DRIVE TO DALLAS.
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Post by e0 on Jul 16, 2012 16:53:55 GMT -5
What football coach not named Joe was as dirty as OU?
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jul 19, 2012 8:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by aoxo on Jul 19, 2012 18:08:55 GMT -5
Yep, Penn State sure had a unique culture, with football being so important and unaccountable to the rest of the University.
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Post by MMM on Jul 23, 2012 9:50:20 GMT -5
Wow - 111 wins vacated.
It figures this would happen to the one non-Cleveland sports team that I like.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jul 23, 2012 10:48:47 GMT -5
So the 2010 game between PSU and OSU has been vacated by both teams.
Awesome.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jul 23, 2012 12:57:18 GMT -5
Being able to say "And I vacated my bowels when I was at that game" is something you just don't get sitting in front of your television.
^Future ticket sales marketing campaign.
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Post by e0 on Jul 23, 2012 15:05:36 GMT -5
Has there ever been a lower ebb for Sports and the internet in terms of readability? Dwight Howard... baseball... PSU.... Gun control debate per Colorado.... Election talk.... fuck me sideways. I can't stand it.
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Post by aj on Jul 23, 2012 15:51:45 GMT -5
TCF has been unreadable for a while now. I don't even check it anymore.
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Post by e0 on Jul 23, 2012 15:53:49 GMT -5
It's far, far, far beyond that. I mean TCF has been good for one good thread every six months for a long, long, long while now.
Twitter is horrendous, some of my favorite sites are just churning....
It's the perfect storm of national media stories and nothing actually interesting converging into a singular pile of shit.
I'm taking a self-imposed week off of Twitter just because of how inescapable it all is, no matter how many people you unfollow.
Worst reading time ever.
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Post by JayAre on Jul 23, 2012 18:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah it's gonna get so much better!! You don't like who won the election? Well your an idiot! You like who won the election? Well your an idiot! LOL FOX NEWZ IS RACIST Can the Heat win 80 games? Can the Lakers win 80 games? STEELERS ARE AWESOME TOM BRADY RAY LEWIS PEYTON MANNING TIM TEBOW I can't believe how much snow we got in NY and it's not even Thanksgiving!! LOL That Pirates vs A's World Series sure got crappy ratings! ^SNEAK PREVIEW OF NOVEMBER'S HEADLINES
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Post by JayAre on Jul 23, 2012 18:19:52 GMT -5
JEREMY LYNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by e0 on Jul 23, 2012 18:36:52 GMT -5
To be fair, there will be other things going on then so the smart people will be able to avoid ESPN Headlines. Right now no matter where you turn the same shit head-lines are all anyone has to talk about.
Besides, you know, baseball.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jul 23, 2012 20:51:54 GMT -5
What the hell is "b a s e b a l l"?
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