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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 1, 2012 17:23:11 GMT -5
Clearly Aaron Rodgers is NOT the most valuable player.
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Post by Bot on Jan 1, 2012 17:47:10 GMT -5
Flynn is average at best. McCoy would put up similar numbers in that system with those receivers. Sorry, Flynn is not the way to go.
Of course, I believe that the majority of our offensive issues stems from the coaches terrible offense and a lack of playmakers at every position on offense. So I may not be the best person to ask about replacing the QB on this team.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 1, 2012 18:08:10 GMT -5
I'd be fine with Flynn as an RG3 fallback option as long as we're only signing him as a free agent and not losing any picks in the process.
Jermichael Finley is also a FA this offseason, and I'd think that if I was GB, I'd be tagging him over Flynn.
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Post by aoxo on Jan 1, 2012 18:14:42 GMT -5
How much is enough for Rogers? Two firsts and ten seconds?
The Packers should do it! Biggest haul ever!
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 1, 2012 21:23:34 GMT -5
So without making any trades, we can get one of RG3, Luck, Blackmon, or Claiborne.
<--content with that.
Don't F it up and take an offensive lineman, AYCHs.
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Post by JayAre on Jan 1, 2012 21:27:22 GMT -5
Blackmon please.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 1, 2012 21:34:08 GMT -5
1. RG3 2. Luck 3. Blackmon 4. Claiborne
^M'board
I'm interested in Janoris Jenkins and Whitney Mercilus at 24ish.
And in the second round, Vontaze Burfict might be worth one or two 15 yard penalties a game, regular fines, and an occasional suspension.
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Post by ned on Jan 2, 2012 12:23:57 GMT -5
Janoris seems like a purr-fect fit for the Bengals
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Post by aj on Jan 2, 2012 12:46:21 GMT -5
PLAYMAKERS
4. RG3 QB
24ish. Brandon Jenkins DE - I like him more than Mercilus. Raw, but more talented IMO.
36. Ronnell Lewis LB
68. Tommy Streeter WR
100. Robert Turbin RB
119. Donnie Fletcher CB
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 13:15:01 GMT -5
I really like what I've seen of Jenkins in highlights. He appears more explosive & athletic than Mercilus.
But the few times I've watched him, he's just seemed like a nonfactor, and his overall production this year was pretty meh.
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Post by MMM on Jan 2, 2012 13:53:17 GMT -5
I thought Mercilus is projecting as an LDE? Wouldn't they rather draft someone for the side opposite Sheard?
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Post by ned on Jan 2, 2012 13:56:46 GMT -5
Jauron is weird like that.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:12:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen Mercilus specifically projected as a LDE. His physical profile is more traditional RDE than LDE (just like Sheard), and he plays on both sides at Illinois (occasionally inside on passing downs too).
Yeah, I wish he had Jenkins' first step. It'd make me feel more confident that he could beat NFL LTs and not have to make the same kind of switch that Sheard did (which, at that point, yes, would be a problem if we had both), but if he had Jenkins' first step, we'd probably be talking about him for pick #4 instead of #25.
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:35:13 GMT -5
RGIII
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:36:40 GMT -5
BTW: since both of us love RGIII and you suck at evaluating QBs I've decided that where your suck is going to be exposed this year is in evaluating Luck, who you are lower on than everyone and not RGIII.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:37:12 GMT -5
^Guaranteed Pro-Bowler!
I think a lot is going to depend on how reasonable Jermichael Finley chooses to be in contract negotiations. Obviously, the Packers will be trying like hell to re-sign him in time to use that tag on Flynn, but if Finley's being a pain in the ass, they'd have to suck it up and tag him instead, wouldn't they?
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 2, 2012 14:37:19 GMT -5
I am more convinced of this than ever before (Son of Flynn's performance notwithstanding) but...and get this...the Quarterback is the most important player to get right.
Earth shattering breakdown, I know.
But seriously, no team will win a Super Bowl with a QB outside top 10...top 7, even(?).
So if that is the case, then I do not care what is given up to get a top tier QB-prospect like Luck. Really...I don't care. Do whatever it takes. I don't want to hear the argument for building a team. A team aint worth building if there isn't a top 7-ish QB on the roster. And I've got good reason to believe that a top QB makes everyone better. Aren't Super Bowls the goal?
Before you cast this aside as simpleton, mouth-breathing...I truly appreciate a shrewd GM that deftly drafts and makes wise FA acquisitions. Necessary for all that makes a contender. But it comes down to the QB, period. It always does. As I look at the current starting QB's, I can safely say the following will never win a Super Bowl:
Mark Sanchez Matt Moore F Scott Fitzgerald Joe Flacco Andy Dalton Colt McCoy Matt Hasselbeck (window closed on him) Blaine Gabbert Matt Schaub Matt Cassel Tim Tebow Carson Palmer Michael Vick Rex Grossman Jay Cutler Christian Ponder Josh Freeman Alex Smith Kevin Kolb Tavares Jackson Sam Bradford (actually, I don't know what to make of him...team in turmoil...new GM/HC on way)
These guys of course need no explanation: Tom Brady Ben Roethlisberger Peyton Manning Eli Manning Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees
Leaving these guys as "Maybe-ish they could win a Super Bowl" Philip Rivers (probably not but if Norv Turner is replaced...) Matthew Stafford (I keep forgetting he's on the Lions...) Matt Ryan (meh...he has WRs, he has a running game...maybe) Cam Newton (I'm not saying he can or will...just maybe)
So when looking at Luck or RG3, I would definitely put both in the Maybe list...with Luck having more potential to hit actual list than RG3? My question is...I guess with everyone else...what is the drop off from Luck to RG3? I can safely say that if the Browns don't have a QB on my empirically rich "Maybe" list then why bother?
Rambles...
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:39:21 GMT -5
BTW: since both of us love RGIII and you suck at evaluating QBs I've decided that where your suck is going to be exposed this year is in evaluating Luck, who you are lower on than everyone and not RGIII.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 2, 2012 14:39:52 GMT -5
Tony Romo is on the not winning a super bowl list...
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:42:05 GMT -5
When Anthony Davis and Andrew Luck are HOFers bow's head may explode.
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:42:53 GMT -5
Tony Romo is on the not winning a super bowl list... RGIII's upside is probably as high if not higher than anyone in the league. Luck's floor is probably as high as any prospect for a long time.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 2, 2012 14:44:26 GMT -5
When Anthony Davis and Andrew Luck are HOFers bow's head may explode. Especially if they both provide pictures of their junk at some point in their careers.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 2, 2012 14:45:33 GMT -5
Tony Romo is on the not winning a super bowl list... RGIII's upside is probably as high if not higher than anyone in the league. Luck's floor is probably as high as any prospect for a long time. Then it would behoove Heckert to poach this year and nexts draft to get one of them.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:46:09 GMT -5
1) So if that is the case, then 2) I do not care what is given up to get a top tier QB-prospect like Luck. 1) It isn't. 2) I do. It seems to me that if they were being honest, every GM would admit to kind of sucking at projecting QB prospects. Otherwise, how are there so many horrible, horrible busts? If Washington or Miami is going to jump us for RG3, it's going to cost them at least their 1 & 2 this year and 1 next year. (<--Not a bidding war I want any part of.) Drafting QBs at the top of the draft is scary enough as it is; exponentially increasing the potential downside doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea.
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:46:49 GMT -5
Whoa, Irsay just actually fired the Polians.
Teehee.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:48:26 GMT -5
Tony Romo is on the not winning a super bowl list... RGIII's upside is probably as high if not higher than anyone in the league. Luck's floor is probably as high as any prospect for a long time. At least since Brady Quinn!
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jan 2, 2012 14:50:57 GMT -5
1) So if that is the case, then 2) I do not care what is given up to get a top tier QB-prospect like Luck. 1) It isn't. 2) I do. It seems to me that if they were being honest, every GM would admit to kind of sucking at projecting QB prospects. Otherwise, how are there so many horrible, horrible busts? If Washington or Miami is going to jump us for RG3, it's going to cost them at least their 1 & 2 this year and 1 next year. (<--Not a bidding war I want any part of.) Drafting QBs at the top of the draft is scary enough as it is; exponentially increasing the potential downside doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Ok...who from the won't win a super bowl list could win one given the right environment? I think in terms of building a solid roster around a guy, Schaub is the best argument. Unfortunately we won't find out this year. The conditions were perfect in the AFC.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:53:20 GMT -5
<--kicked ass at One Of These Things Is Not Like The Others on Sesame Street.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jan 2, 2012 14:55:00 GMT -5
Depending on how generous you're willing to be with "the right environment," several.
If I name names, you'll say "NO WAYZ, HE SUX," so I choose not to!
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Post by e0 on Jan 2, 2012 14:55:15 GMT -5
Damnit bow, Barkley = Quinn, not Luck. Stop mixing my metaphors.
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