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Post by e0 on May 17, 2012 7:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by bwwyyyy on May 17, 2012 9:16:37 GMT -5
AND I"M THE DRAFT GEEK?!?!
I like Jae Crowder. I don't know if he has an NBA position. Also, I would like to be informed when the first analyst comps him to Faried, solely based on haircut.
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Post by e0 on May 17, 2012 9:22:56 GMT -5
<-- didn't put those together it was one of the Sactown Royalty guys.
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Post by Orenthal on May 17, 2012 10:12:13 GMT -5
Nice FT% Drummond...
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Post by Bot on Jun 9, 2012 15:47:37 GMT -5
Robbie Hummel has a workout scheduled with the Cabs! Championship!
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 9, 2012 17:59:23 GMT -5
^Future Celtic
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 11, 2012 20:43:58 GMT -5
Ford:
Take Thomas Robinson, Mr. Gilberts.
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Post by aoxo on Jun 11, 2012 21:03:38 GMT -5
Kevin Love has a 35 1/2-inch vertical?
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Post by aj on Jun 12, 2012 12:26:51 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but my board is Davis, Drummond, MKG, Robinson.
I just don't see Robinson being anymore than a 15 and 8 player while playing average defense at best, Bow. Solid, but that is it. Very low floor though.
I'll swing for the fences with Drummond and hope he develops.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 12, 2012 13:38:13 GMT -5
^CRAZY!
Mine (still) goes: Davis, Robinson, Beal, Meh (with Barnes still possibly the King of Mehs)
Robinson over Beal may mostly be the result of my personal comfort-level, since I've seen a lot more of Robinson than Beal, but I think people are really discounting Robinson's upside. His post game definitely needs refinement (how many incoming NBA prospects don't), but he's had relatively little actual on-court development time, buried as he was his first two years behind the Morriseses. (And in his second year, I thought he was clearly better than both of them, but they got the PT strictly due to seniority.)
I think he could develop into a 20/10 all-star, best player on a 2nd tier playoff team...Guy. Or he could fail to develop any more of an inside game, and be your 15/8, meh, occasional wooo-alley-oop guy.
WHO KNOWS
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 12, 2012 13:45:37 GMT -5
And FTR, I don't think he was at his best in the tournament, which is what I'm guessing a lot of these tepid evaluations might be largely centered around.
Whether it was intentional or not, in particular, Terrence Jones allowing(?) himself to be backed down practically right under the basket with Davis' long ass effectively fronting Robinson in the middle of the lane is something I hadn't seen before in a team's approach to stopping him. (Of course, I don't know what other team would have had the personnel to pull it off.) Anyway, that's a situation I'd have expected him (and most any other low post player) to struggle with. And he did.
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Post by aj on Jun 12, 2012 15:24:40 GMT -5
What is your concern with MKG? Not buying the whole "he's a winner!" that most others are??
"but he's had relatively little actual on-court development time, buried as he was his first two years behind the Morriseses."
Very good point, one that I had not considered. I'm just a sucker for a starting line up that includes a long 4 and 5. It is a big reason why I wanted JonVal at 4 last year.
Whomever takes Robinson will be happy with him, I agree with that.
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Post by aj on Jun 12, 2012 15:30:12 GMT -5
I want no part of Barnes, btw. Maybe if I was picking 13th.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 12, 2012 15:48:04 GMT -5
What is your concern with MKG? Not buying the whole "he's a winner!" that most others are?? I don't really remember seeing this. Does Ken Dorsey have a hoops blog? And I prefer long 4s to less long 4s too; just not as much as I prefer good to less good. RE: MKG, I've never been able to put my finger on it. I just Big Tom Hanks "don't get it."
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Post by e0 on Jun 12, 2012 23:55:31 GMT -5
Anyone who has Drummond in their top anything is an idiot and anyone who doesn't like MKG because "they have a feeling" is an idiot.
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Post by e0 on Jun 13, 2012 0:00:47 GMT -5
And Barnes has translatable skills and some upside (albeit limited). Saying you wouldn't take him until 13 also makes you an idiot. He's meh, but this is a pretty gawd damn meherrific top ten.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 13, 2012 10:21:39 GMT -5
...and anyone who doesn't like MKG because "they have a feeling" is an idiot. Not being impressed by MKG but liking him anyway because Givony, etc say so = smart way to be? THUMB UP
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Post by e0 on Jun 13, 2012 12:17:59 GMT -5
I've always liked MKG from way back during like the UNC game or whatever very early very big game I watched him play in. Dude reminds me a TON of crash and I absolutely love Crash.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 13, 2012 12:28:57 GMT -5
That's fine for you.
For me, I still feel free to rate him lower than most, despite not having some more concrete piece of something that I can point to and blow out of proportion and attach my indifference to--like, "He has excessively boney elbows! And NBA draft history says that a whopping 82% of prospects with elbows of comparable boniness fall short of expectations!" I don't feel the need to be that guy. I understand this makes me a poor candidate to commentate for ESPN, but somehow I will have to live with that.
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Post by aj on Jun 13, 2012 12:48:53 GMT -5
I understand this makes me a poor candidate to commentate for ESPN, but somehow I will have to live with that. +1. And to what I said about MKG being a winner, this was from Chad Ford a couple of days ago. ESPN Insider, this is just a portion of the article: insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/8006514/nba-draft-michael-kidd-gilchrist-does-not-wow-scouts-winsCLEVELAND -- Go ahead. Bet against Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Call him offensively challenged. Dissect his shooting hitch. Wring your hands over his ballhandling. Wonder aloud about the sanity of using the No. 2 pick on a player with his weaknesses. The NBA draft is a game of labels, and Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't fit many of the ones NBA scouts and draft analysts love to use on top-tier picks. But be careful. Ask anyone who knows anything about basketball what label should adorn Michael Kidd-Gilchrist as he prepares for the 2012 NBA draft and they all, to a man, say the same thing. Winner. "Michael is a flat-out winner," his head coach John Calipari said. "Not because he's one of the nation's best scorers but because of his intangibles, intensity and passion." Kidd-Gilchrist won a high school state championship as a 15-year-old sophomore. As a 16-year-old, he took home a gold medal as part of Team USA in the FIBA Under-17 World Championships. As an 18-year-old freshman, he was the heart and soul of a Kentucky Wildcats team that won the national championship in April.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 13, 2012 12:57:06 GMT -5
^Oh, dear.
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Post by MMM on Jun 13, 2012 13:28:07 GMT -5
Ugh.
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Post by aj on Jun 13, 2012 16:21:07 GMT -5
FTR, I do not have MKG 3rd because he is a "winner".
MKG does something that is very rare in the NBA and that is impact the game without having the ball squarely in his hands. I think he is going to be an A+ defender on perimeter players, though he may struggle with physical SF's early on.
That seems to make him worthy of a top pick in my book since this a draft that (as e0 put it) is meherrific from 2 on. An increase in ball handling and or shooting by the guy would just be an added bonus.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jun 20, 2012 14:06:17 GMT -5
So the Wizards trade (Rashard Lewis and 46 to NO for Okafur and Ariza) all but puts Beal in Washington.
NO saves $30mill once they buyout Lewis.
Cavs looking at Barnes/MKG at 4 then?
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 20, 2012 14:57:28 GMT -5
Does a guy going to his 6th team in his 9th year really tip the scales one way or the other? Unless you just think it's a reflection of their preference for Beal (<--possibility!), I don't get how it's a factor.
Two positives I see to a potential Davis-Robinson-Beal-Barnes 1-2-3-4 start to the draft:
1) It'd fall right in line with the mumpfs-old bwwyyyy board.
2) Lots of exploding heads!
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Post by e0 on Jun 20, 2012 15:26:53 GMT -5
They aren't paying Ariza (for his defense) what they are paying him to draft a duplicate player, especially with the #6 pick in last year's draft (who sucked) there to sit behind Ariza.
And Ariza is a fine complimentary piece, the problem is that since he left the Lakers teams have tried to use him as a featured piece.
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Post by vecseysbeard on Jun 26, 2012 13:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 26, 2012 13:30:46 GMT -5
Beal's head roundness and spherical headiness call to mind Eric Gordon.
Tweaked for accuracy.
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Post by e0 on Jun 26, 2012 13:31:48 GMT -5
You would link to dumb ass Grantland.
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Post by bwwyyyy on Jun 26, 2012 13:35:59 GMT -5
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